burn out
- dbmoore
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16 years 4 months ago #15191325
by dbmoore
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">an unusual event, I was doing some testing of some electric motors, all basically uni-direction type motors. As I tested first without loads all the motors behaved as expected. Then I introduce a load and my controller smoked? I have never seen this before? usually if here s an over current the controller would just stop sending power.
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Has anyone had this happen?
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Has anyone had this happen?
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- cosma
16 years 4 months ago #15364599
by cosma
Beware that current limiting works only up to a point.
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">The issue is that what is measured and limited is the current flowing out of the battery.
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Current flowing into the motor can actually be much higher. This is quite counter intuitive and works as follows:
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">If for example, the PWM cycle is 10% and the battery current is measured to be 10A, with an oscilloscope you would see that the battery current is 100A for 1/10 of the time and 0 the rest of the time (thus averaging to 10A).
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">However, because of the flywheel effect in the motor;s inductance, during the off time, the 100A continues to flow across the opposite mosfet the remaining 9/10th of the time. The MOSFET that is on the opposite leg of the bridge and that is always on will see 100A all the time.
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Such a situation of high amps at low PWM will occure when you have a short or when driving a stalled motor of very low impedance.
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">This is not necessarily what happened in your case, but it is good to be aware of this phenomenon.
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Note that we are considering changing the current limiting algorithm to limit the current flowing in the motor rather the current flowing from the battery.
Replied by cosma on topic Re:burn out
Beware that current limiting works only up to a point.
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">The issue is that what is measured and limited is the current flowing out of the battery.
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Current flowing into the motor can actually be much higher. This is quite counter intuitive and works as follows:
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">If for example, the PWM cycle is 10% and the battery current is measured to be 10A, with an oscilloscope you would see that the battery current is 100A for 1/10 of the time and 0 the rest of the time (thus averaging to 10A).
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">However, because of the flywheel effect in the motor;s inductance, during the off time, the 100A continues to flow across the opposite mosfet the remaining 9/10th of the time. The MOSFET that is on the opposite leg of the bridge and that is always on will see 100A all the time.
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Such a situation of high amps at low PWM will occure when you have a short or when driving a stalled motor of very low impedance.
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">This is not necessarily what happened in your case, but it is good to be aware of this phenomenon.
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Note that we are considering changing the current limiting algorithm to limit the current flowing in the motor rather the current flowing from the battery.
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- dbmoore
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16 years 4 months ago #15372723
by dbmoore
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">I have not open the device yet but my guess is I will have to replace the mosfets at least. I hope that the circuit board is okay. Any suggestions on the best way to get back up and going?
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- cosma
16 years 4 months ago #15403079
by cosma
Replied by cosma on topic Re:burn out
<P style="MARGIN: 0px">It is generally quite difficult to repair a controller when MOSFETs are dmaged. It is quite common for the driver and other circuits to have failed too.
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Best is to contact us to arrange for a repair/replacement. Please contact us directly via our web site.
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Best is to contact us to arrange for a repair/replacement. Please contact us directly via our web site.
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